New Again: Dolly Parton

It’s midweek and we’re working niiiiiiine to fiiiiiiive (well, 10 to 6, but close enough)!  It would be a whole lot less fun were we not clandestinely blasting Dolly Parton as we work. Our excuse? Dolly’s epic tribute at this year’s Grammys, where she received the Person of the Year award for her lifetime of cowboy boot-knocking hits and fantastic wigs. Seems as though she hasn’t slowed down a smidge since the first time we spoke, way back in July of 1984.

To indulge our nostalgia, we’ve decided to reprint this first interview Dolly did for us with Andy and Maura Moynihan. Dolly gives a lot of sage advice about “shining wherever you are” and embracing your fellow human-beings, but she’s not all smiles and sunshine. As Parton says herself, “Don’t mess with me.”

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The life story, like the woman herself, is almost too extraordinary to be true. The fourth of twelve children raised in the Smoky Mountain of Tennessee, Dolly began composing songs at the age of seven, singing on radio three years later and—by twelve—performing at the Grand Ole Opry. The first person in her family to graduate from high school, she hightailed it to Nashville the day she received her diploma, and in 1966, joined Porter Wagoner’s television variety show. Firmly established as a country and western star, Dolly was earning $60,000 a year at 21, and rising fast.

Breaking away from Wagoner, she formed “The Travelin’ Band” with some of her kin, but the enterprise was a failure. Dissolving the group, Dolly hired a manager and another band-this time, professional musicians —and headed full stream into her solo career.

The C&W world welcomed its newest and most outrageous star without hesitation, and her albums were big news—here and across the Atlantic: “Heartbreaker,” “Her You Come Again,” “9 to 5.” The latter was the theme for Dolly’s movie debut with Jane Fonda and Lily Tomlin, and earned her an Oscar nomination for Best Song. “I’m not leaving the country, I’m just taking it with me,” Dolly said to the Tennessee eyebrow raisers, and continued on her way.

Her second film outing, co-starring with Burt Reynolds in “The Best Little Whorehouse in Texas,” wasn’t such a happy one. Though she escaped from the turkey unscathed by the critics, the grueling films schedule as well as a personal anxiety brought on a serious illness which kept her bedridden for 18 months.

Bouncing back last year, Dolly tackled her biggest acting job yet with “Rhinestone,” a project she developed for herself and co-star Sylvester Stallone (who gets in a country number or two). Concurrently working on other movie projects, books, albums and a television special with Kenny Rogers, Dolly remains driven by success. “I’m still not the star I’m going to be,” she says with characteristic candor.

Be that as it may, the woman is a phenomenon. Her theatrical appearance and inflated style have excited public interest from the beginning, and the press has showered as much attention on her platinum wigs and staggering proportions as it has on her music. In the flesh, she stands a mere five feet tall, and the effect of her golden white wig and vermilion nails and lips—combined with irrepressible wit—is an unusual kind of beauty; effervescent as champagne. Dolly visited our Union Square office and joined Andy Warhol and Maura Moynihan for lunch on St. Patrick’s Day, looking trim and squeezable in white jeans, a red sweater and slick red boots with perilously high heels.

ANDY WARHOL: Where is Maura? Maybe she got caught in the parade.

DOLLY PARTON: Maybe she got hooked up with a horny leprechaun somewhere, dressed in green with no pants on.

WARHOL: Do you want some lunch?

PARTON: I’d love a glass of white wine.

WARHOL: How did you like working with Sylvester Stallone?

PARTON: I think he’s beautiful. I’d never seen him in person before I started on Rhinestone. I was surprised when I first saw him because I thought he would be gigantic. When I had my surgery I decided I had to get myself in better shape, eat better, because I just turned 38. I lost all of my weight before I even met Sly. He’s a great inspiration to be around, though. He was more than happy to help me. I loved working with him, he’s a great person.

WARHOL: (doorbell rings) Oh, maybe that’s the magic person. Oh there she is. You’re late, Maura.

MAURA MOYNIHAN: Hi, it’s nice to meet you.

PARTON: You’re Irish and we forgive you.

MOYNIHAN: You look wonderful. When did you finish Rhinestone?

PARTON: We finished filming about three and a half weeks ago. I’m the musical supervisor. I’m still working because I wrote all the music, and so I’ll be working with it till it comes out June 22nd. I had the best time doing the movie.

MOYNIHAN: Whorehouse wasn’t as fun?

PARTON: Well, Whorehouse was not fun. I loved Burt Reynolds and Jim Nabors and all those people, but at that particular time I was ill, and coming from a Broadway play, we already had everything against us.

MOYNIHAN: You got great reviews.

PARTON: I was happy with the success of it; it was just a hard one to do.

MOYNIHAN: How many wigs do you have?

PARTON: I don’t know, I’ve got better things to do than count them. But I wear one every day of the week, so probably 365.

MOYNIHAN: You have all these different ones so you can completely change your hairstyle any time you please.

WARHOL: How long were you sick?

PARTON: I’d never really been sick in my life until a couple of years ago, and then I was sick for 18 months to two years. It was brought on by a lot of emotional problems that I was having. I had to make a lot of decisions with a lot of people I had been with for years and years, and we were not helping each other emotionally. We did great business together, but it was just very hard. I just had to shuffle a lot of things around in my life and make some decisions that were very painful, and I’m a very sensitive person.

MOYNIHAN: Did you have to fire some people?

PARTON:  Yes, but I’ve always done my own hiring and firing. But in this particular case, I was going through a lot of problems with family and stuff.

MOYNIHAN: With [your husband] Carl?

PARTON: No, me and Carl are fine. We have no problems at all. We’ve been together for 20 years, and we’ve been married for 18. First time for him and first time for me.

MOYNIHAN: How did you meet?

PARTON: I met him the first day I got to Nashville, in 1964. I graduated on a Friday night, went to Nashville on a Saturday morning with dirty clothes and I went to a Laundromat looking for anything but love. I had just left two boyfriends back home and I wasn’t looking to get involved because I had gone to Nashville to really get started in the business. I met him at the Why Washy and he’s been wishy washy ever since. We dated for two years before we got married. I often get myself in love trouble because I’m so passionate; I love so much and so deep. But Carl’s a special guy, I didn’t have any problems with him.

MOYNIHAN: Do you get lonely on the road?

PARTON: Yes, but I can fix that shit. Though it causes me trouble. At the time I was making some decisions, making myself go way, way back to muddy waters. When you spend your whole life working… In fact, out of this came a book I’m writing called Life After Success. To me, that’s when you should be the happiest. I had to make some decisions that I needed to make for years, But I kept holding on because I loved these people so much, a person in particular, but we were just destroying each other emotionally because we loved each other so much.

MOYNIHAN: Was this a personal affair and somebody you were working with?

PARTON: Yes, it was a personal business affair. It was just very painful. I have a tendency to be awfully big-hearted and it’s very hard for me to say no, even when I need to. I can handle the business—the bigger they are the better I like dealing with them—but when it gets into business where I’m very attached to the people, it’s hard. I was going through a period of time that the nerves and the tension and the stress were actually what got me sick. So then it was like, which came first, the chicken or the egg? I just kept getting worse and worse and then I started having stomach problems, ulcers and intestinal problems. But it was the best thing that ever happened to me. It made me really smart. When I was flat on my back I realized that I could never retire, that I hated it, that I would never get myself in that place again.

WARHOL: You could be a great preacher.

PARTON: What do you mean? I am a great preacher.

MOYNIHAN: Your grandfather was a preacher.

PARTON: Yes, he was with the Church of God.

MOYNIHAN: Do you go to church regularly?

PARTON: No, I don’t.

MOYNIHAN: Do you pray?

PARTON: Yes, all the time. As a child I was scared to death of hellfire and brimstone, but I loved to sing. Out of that I started to remember the things that really stuck in my mind, and I think that’s followed me through the years, things like “Through God, all things are possible.” I just remember the positive. I just thought, “I can’t deal with this shit. There cannot be a God that is that mean and cruel, and if there is then I’m too afraid to deal with Him anyway.” So I had to decide who I was, and what God meant to me. I feel that sin and evil are the negative part of you, and I think it’s like a battery: you’ve got to have the negative and the positive in order to be a complete person. I used to punish myself a lot for things I felt, and then I’d just say, “Well, if it’s wrong for me to feel this why do I feel it?” I used to have a lot of problems with all the stuff I felt. One of the songs on the jukebox in Rhinestone has the line, “Torn between two lovers,” and I’m thinking how I could have written that song.  See, to me it’s how you deal with it yourself.

MOYNIHAN: Do you work out?

PARTON: Not much, but I do, some.

WARHOL: What did you stop eating?

PARTON: It’s not what I stopped eating as much as how I stopped eating. I was always just a hog, I still am. I’m short and I have a big appetite. I can’t do nothing just a little. It’s the same with anything I do. It’s very hard for me to love a little, have sex a little, to eat a little. I like to do everything, and I like to do it all the way that I want to do it. I was always a junk food person, still am. I didn’t stop anything. I just try to eat less and I try to think of my diet now like a job, five days a week. I try to eat fish and vegetables, things that are better for me, but on the weekends… If I get crazy, if it’s three pizzas I want, that’s what I’ll go out and eat. I gained a lot of weight when I was sick. I was taking a lot of hormones for female problems I was having. I’m only five feet tall.

MOYNIHAN: You don’t look it.

PARTON: I walk tall, I got a tall attitude. But I’m just a little bitty person. When people see me in airports the stop me and say, “Gee, I thought you were a big person.” When I was doing “Whorehouse” was when I got so sick. It was right after that diet that I gained so much more back. That was my second film, and it was so close to my personality as far as me getting to say what I wanted to say, dress the way that I like to dress, that I was real comfortable in the part. Like 9 to 5, I always joke about playing a secretary. That was good, but that was not really my true nature.

WARHOL: You were great in that.

PARTON: I make a better whore than a secretary.

WARHOL: No. You made 9 to 5 a big hit.

PARTON: That was a special thing. I was real proud of that. I’d never even seen a movie made when I walked into that one. I always laugh at myself. I learned everybody’s part, which was great because I didn’t have to study at night. It’s easy for me to memorize because I write. I knew that script back and forth in two weeks.

MOYNIHAN: Does acting come naturally to you?

PARTON: If it’s acting that I do, it does. I don’t think I’m a great actress. I think I can act or I can react. Coming from a musical background and being a dramatic singer and writer, when I write stuff I really feel it. So I sing it like it comes from here. That’s how I do the acting. I’ve done three movies now and I think I could do some good acting. I think I did some good things in Rhinestone, but I think now I could do a dramatic part, something real serious where I’m not a comedian or a country singer.

MOYNIHAN: What are your favorite movies?

PARTON: My favorite movies of all times is Doctor Zhivago, and I love Gone With the Wind. I’d love to play some Southern belle or something where I owned a plantation.

MOYNIHAN: Isn’t your Tennessee farm called Tara?

PARTON: No, I don’t know how that ever got started. They say that in all the magazines, but we don’t call it anything. It’s just a big old house with 23 rooms that we’re about to sell. We built it, but it’s just too big for us. Back when I had the kids, my brothers and sisters, it made more sense, but it’s just too much for us now. It’s got 65 acres and me and Carl are both at the age where we don’t want to be tied down to it, so we’re going to find a smaller place in Nashville. We just bought a house in Hawaii where we’ll spend a lot of time now. We don’t have kids, and we’re free, and he’s independent as he can be. We don’t like to be together all the time. Nobody likes somebody to be stuck in their face all the time—that’s why we get along so good, because when we are together we have a good time.

MOYNIHAN: Did you have a happy childhood?

PARTON: I think I did. At that time I wanted more. I lived in fairy tales and storybooks, and I knew that we were missing a lot that I saw in books, but we were real happy. You see, Mom and Dad stayed together. We had our problems. Daddy, he often ran around and he had some children outside of us, but he was a good father and a good husband. He always came home. He was just a little wild, and I can certainly understand that, because I’m a combination of both of them. But he always loved Mama and always treated us good. It was hard times. Mama was sick a lot and there were a lot of depressing times. What was good about it was we lived out in the country. We were very close to nature and free to grow up the way we did. We didn’t have cars to get hit by, we didn’t have neighbors to get raped by, we just lived way out in the woods. We lived close to God and close to nature. I think coming out of that gate gave us a real good solid foundation, a good wholesome attitude.

WARHOL:  Did you ever think of leaving?

PARTON:  Yes, I did. I was probably a real pain in the ass when I was little because I had such dreams. And I needed a lot of attention that I didn’t get. My folks loved us, they loved us all the same, but I had a sister and two brothers older than me. My older sister, of course, being the first, was more responsible and got more attention. My older brothers, being boys were just stronger and bigger, and me, I was born in an odd spot and was a very sensitive kid. My feelings could get hurt so easily because I always wanted to be loved, I wanted to be touched, I wanted to touch somebody. I wanted everybody to love me, so I think I was louder than I should have been. I was just trying to get attention. I always felt like I was somebody special, maybe it’s because I needed to be somebody special. I just always knew I was going to be a star. I was always going to be rich so I could buy things for Mommy and Daddy, so that I could buy them a big house and we could have things.

MOYNIHAN: Did you have a lot of confidence?

PARTON: Oh yes, I’d sing for anybody.

MOYNIHAN: Do you still have a lot of confidence?

PARTON: Yes. You couldn’t scare me as a kid because we lived hard and we worked the fields. We were strong little kids. I was always a tomboy. And I can’t even believe now that I’m so fragile, so to speak. I have little short hands so I like long nails, and I’m short so I like high heels. I never could get my hair to do what I wanted it to do, so I started wearing the wigs. It all came from a very serious place. I wanted to look a certain way.

MOYNIHAN: How did you survive when you first went to Nashville?

PARTON: Real well, although I didn’t have a radio, or car, or friend, or phone. When I first moved to Nashville I stayed with my Uncle Bill. He was the one who saw so much in me. I’d beg anybody to take me around, take me to sing. I was first on the radio when I was ten years old on a local station in Knoxville. I was scared to death, but my desire to do it was greater than my fear. I didn’t even know what the hell I was doing. I didn’t even know what a microphone was. I just played my guitar and sang the songs I wrote. Then when the crowd loved me, that gave me that confidence that I was always going to need. I know now it wasn’t because I was good, it was just because I had the nerve to do it.

MOYNIHAN: What do you want to do now?

PARTON: I just want to be free to work. I want to think, I want to write better songs, I want to write different styles of music; I want to write Broadway plays, which I am; I want to write books, which I will. I’m going to write a lot of positive thinking books. I’m writing a book now called I Am, which is an individual awareness method.

MOYNIHAN: I read somewhere that you were going to set up awareness centers around the country.

PARTON: Yes, and I will do that. People need help and I can help.

MOYNIHAN: Do you think pop stars are like spiritual vehicles for a lot of people?

PARTON: Being brought up very religious, I have a fear of people that look to idol gods. But we are idols and we’re all gods, so to speak, and I think that celebrities should acknowledge their responsibility, because we are in a position to help. That’s why it hurts me so bad to see what happened to people like Elvis. So many people need you so much. Just look at people like Jim Jones. See, you have to be responsible. I understand how people can commit suicide, how people can get on drugs and alcohol. It would be wrong of me to try and give anybody advice, and I won’t do it unless people ask. I love everybody, and I go right through the bullshit and I go right to the core of every person because we are all one, we are all the same. A lot of people say to me, “There are so few worthwhile people in the world,” and I say “That’s the biggest crock of shit I ever heard.” I don’t ever meet a freak. The biggest freaks in the world for me are my favorite people, like you, like me.

MOYNIHAN: Do you think you could ever lose your following or fans?

PARTON: I think about it, but I don’t worry about it. I think this could all end tomorrow. That’s all the more reason that I’m grateful, but I would be a star wherever I was. Being a star just means that you just find your own special place and that you shine where you are. To me that’s what being a star means. It’s just that I wanted to be a bigger star, I wanted to do bigger and greater things. If I was a waitress I’d be Flo. I would own my own club. If I was a barmaid I’d be Miss Kitty. I would tell the worst jokes, I would make everybody happy, I would loan everybody money, I would have a good time. If I worked in a factory I’d be the one making cookies for everybody at Christmas. I would always make a living. I don’t have children, and I’ve done the best I can by my people.

WARHOL: Why didn’t you have children?

PARTON: I couldn’t have children, I tried to for years. I’ve never been pregnant in my life. When I was a girl and fooling around I was scared to death I’d get pregnant, and then when I got married and wanted to have children I couldn’t have any. But I don’t miss it. I did for awhile, but I realize that I am everybody’s mother. I’ve raised five of my younger brothers and sisters and now their kids call me Aunt Grannie. I’m like the grandma and the aunt.

MOYNIHAN: Where do you go in New York?

PARTON: Everywhere. I go to eat, I go to the clubs, I love to get out and have fun. I’ll never let myself get trapped. I think that one of the bad things that stars do, that deprives them of a real life of their very own, is they won’t get out. They’re scared to death somebody is going to kill them, to kidnap them. I think you have to be aware and alert , that’s only smart, but I think when you close yourself off… When I was sick those 18 months I got to where I didn’t want to go out because I didn’t feel like I looked great, but then I thought, I’ve got to stop this because I love people. I want to be out there. I’d rather take a chance. If they couldn’t protect the president of the U.S. and the great leaders of the world that have been shot and killed, how do I think they’re going to protect me.

MOYNIHAN: Do you carry a gun?

PARTON: I do, because I’m a mountain person. We grew up in the mountains where you just have guns around. If an animal comes up to your porch at night or the kids are out in the yard and you’ve got to kill a snake… So guns were not foreign to me, and being a young woman in the world by myself I know how to shoot one and I know how to handle it. It’s not that I’m really into weapons, it’s mostly just for protection. But then the press made such a to-do that I really don’t say anymore whether I do or don’t.  I just say, don’t mess with me.

MOYNIHAN: What do you do for yourself, for your own pleasure?

PARTON: I go out with friends. I love to dance, I love to laugh a lot, I love to go to parties, I love to camp out. My husband and I love to travel by car, we love to go for two or three weeks. We went to Yellowstone Park once and stayed two weeks. We had a great time. We camp out and I unravel all the wigs, and the high heels and the makeup.

MOYNIHAN: Would you ever appear in public without your wig?

PARTON: No, not in public. Well, I might without my wigs, but not without being dressed up, because people expect it of me as much as I expect it of myself. Anybody can be tacky. In fact, I’ve often thought that some spring, in some great magazine, that I might do a layout on the new spring fashions and not wear the wigs. I’m not a bad-looking person and I’ve got fairly good features. I have baby-fine hair, but I have plenty of it.

MOYNIHAN: Do you spend a lot of money on clothes?

PARTON: Well, yes, but they’re not expensive clothes. I spend a lot of money on cheap clothes. I don’t go buy just one or two things. I can thank the Lord I can do whatever I want. I wear the same things over and over and over. I look a certain way and I like it because I’m comfortable with it. I was impressed with kings and queens and velvet and jewelry when I was young. When I was a freshman in high school hair teasing came out. I’d already bleached my hair and got in big trouble. I have blonde hair, but it just wasn’t radiant, it’s sandy blonde. It wasn’t yellow and white and bright. When teasing came out I just thought I had died and gone to heaven. Being creative with my hands, I started teasing. I fixed everybody’s hair. I had the biggest hair in school. I had lots of teachers that had a hard time dealing with me because I felt sexy.

WARHOL: You have the smallest waistline.

PARTON: That was always one of my best assets. I loved wearing tight things around the waist. My dad used to think I was making myself sick because he thought I was pulling myself that tight. I had a real pretty body when I was a girl, though it’s kind of gone downhill since then. When I went to Nashville they liked my personality, and I never sold myself out. I never went to bed with anybody unless I wanted to, never for business reasons.

MOYNIHAN: Is the country music business hard for a woman to break into?

PARTON: Back then it was. I don’t think it is now. I think anybody who can sell records for any businessman or any company—if you got something special they’ll grab you. I don’t think it makes any difference whether you’re male, female, gay, Boy George or whatever. I don’t think it matters any more, business is that open. The first record I made was when I was ten-and-a-half, eleven years old. The first record I ever made… was on Gold Band records, and it was called “Puppy Love.” On the back was this real tender love song, me ten years old singing, “I’m a girl left alone, there’s no hope for me.” It was a song that me and my uncle had wrote.

WARHOL:  Did you have the same kind of voice you have now?

PARTON: It was little and a lot of trill. I’ve worked hard through the years, but it was always something I loved. I was not a great singer. I’m still not a great singer, but I got a style, I like that part. But anyhow, that was  my first encounter.

WARHOL: What happened to the record?

PARTON: Nothing. It played in my hometown and became a collector’s item. Gold Band records still sells it; many people have it now.

WARHOL: Did you do a lot of records before that?

PARTON: Well, I did that song on Gold Band when I was ten or eleven, and then I did a record when I was fifteen on Mercury. I was walking down the streets saying, “Look, you got to record me because I’m going to be a star, I’ll make us a lot of money.” I recorded a song called, “It May Not Kill Me, But It Sure Gonna Hurt.” It only got played in my hometown, too. But I had made some other tapes. When I moved to Nashville I got real lucky. I’d already started to record for Monument Records just when I moved to Nashville. I got a contract immediately. Then I recorded “Dumb Blonde,” which was like one of the top ten country records. So that was my first big chart record. Then came a song called “There’s Something Fishy Goin’ On.” That was when I was still on my own. Then I started working with the Port Wagoner Show in 1966.

MOYNIHAN: How many songs have you written?

PARTON: I’ve published 3,000. Since I was five years old I’ve been writing songs. I started playing guitar when I was seven, I started making up stuff before I could write. I don’t have to work now, but I like to. I like to give it all away so that I have reason to work.

MOYNIHAN: Do you have good investments?

PARTON: Yes.

MOYNIHAN: How many businesses do you own?

PARTON: Many. First of all I have a lot of money in my publishing company, that’s a very stable thing. I have a lot of property. I invest in property, like farms, cows, hardware stores, hogs, and macadamia trees.  You’d be surprised. I make more money on my outside heartfelt investments like farm equipment, garden centers, than I do even from record royalties. The thing that I am proudest of is my publishing company, because you not only write songs you get your royalties from, but you own your publishing—you have it all. Like with Rhinestone, I’ve written 20 songs for this. I get paid a large amount of money for the use of the songs plus I publish them. I don’t have to do it—they want me, they come to me.

MOYNIHAN: Do you make all your own business decisions?

PARTON: Yes, I have good management and good accountants, but I go outside of all of them to make my own decisions. I need them mostly for advice in certain areas and to negotiate certain things. So I don’t have to work, I love to work. But I think everybody has to work. What’s a million dollars or three or ten or fifteen if you’re not happy doing what you’re doing? At least it’s good to know if you want to take off for a year you can. But if I took off and didn’t feel creative I’d just get stale. I can’t even go on vacation. I do know how to have a good time, and I do, but when I’m on vacation I can just have the best time doing whatever. Right in the middle of some great time something will hit my mind, and I’ll make myself stop and write it down.

WARHOL: Are you working on another movie now?

PARTON: I have written a movie for me and Jane [Fonda] and Lily [Tomlin] I’m going to produce. One of the things I’m real proud of is I just made a deal with 20th Century Fox, and I’ve got my own production company now. I’m developing some television and movies for other people because I have a lot of fresh new ideas. To write is what I love the most. I’m starting some movies of the week and some TV series and writing my own movies.

MOYNIHAN: What do you think of the women’s movement?

PARTON:  The women’s movement has a great respect for people in general. I’m not really a political-type person, meaning that I don’t really make great stands or whatever, but if you ask me a direct question I say it shouldn’t matter who you are, whether you’re black, white, green, gay, male, female. If you can do a job and do it well you should be paid for it, you should be respected for it, and you have to be responsible. I think sometimes people can go too fare trying to make a point. I think they should just make their point and go on about.

MOYNIHAN: Do you have groupies? Do you have men following you?

PARTON: Of course, I do, and women. I got a huge gay following and some really macho-looking women. To me people are people, but I always say, you like me because you want to look like me? I can tell you where I get my stuff. So many of my friends are gay, male and female. I don’t judge people. I don’t care what people do in their bedrooms and people shouldn’t care what I do in mine, but yes, I do have a lot of groupies.

WARHOL: You have groupies who actually just follow you around?

PARTON: I don’t think there’s an artist on the road that doesn’t have groupies. I have a huge group of people who follow me from town to town. They know your show and they sit out there and sing every word you sing. They know what you’re going to do before you get it done.

WARHOL: You should buy Monument Records.

PARTON: You’d be surprised how close you are. I am trying.

MOYNIHAN: Do you think success has changed you much or not?

PARTON: To the better.

MOYNIHAN: Do you think it’s been a burden?

PARTON: No, it never was. I had hard times, I’ve been burdened, but overall it has not been a burden.

MOYNIHAN: Do you think the sexual revolution went too far?

PARTON: I’m just not going to say, because I cannot do that and not be a hypocrite. My fantasies carried me to where I wanted to go. My imagination is greater than the reality. I really get into whatever I get into, and I do it my own way. I like to think that somewhere down inside me there’s still a Garden of Eden. I’m still innocent and sweet in a wonderful way.

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