Interview

WKW: Do you still remember what happened on the last day of shooting?

DKF: Thankfully not.

WKW: I have kept in my file a picture of your naked butt. To me, it's like a metaphor of the way we worked then.

DKF: I could say I wanted to be naked for the whole shoot, or I could claim the heat was getting to me. But mostly I was apologizing (in my way) for not getting all the shots we had in our hearts and our heads. Or perhaps I just wanted to be as true (or do I mean "blue") as the desert sky.

The happenstances of our shared and separate ways have meant that WKW and I are not able to sit this interview out (i.e., meet to talk). Deadlines have always been less relevant than the one this magazine gave us, so this e-mail is our recourse. As in our approach to our films, it is as much the talking as the gesture that is the content. -DKF

WKW: It is not very often that a director is offered the chance to make a big-budget martial arts epic. I jumped at this opportunity with all my knowledge about this genre, fearing that there wouldn't be a second chance. To separate ourselves from the previous adaptations, we simply put the original novel aside and went ahead to invent our own vision. It's more than a standard martial arts film; it's Shakespeare meets Sergio Leone in Chinese.

DKF: Action is a bitch to shoot, as is football or any endeavor whose rules and conventions are unfamiliar (to me).

WKW: For me, shooting an action scene is no different from shooting a love scene. What really matters is what happens before the penetration and not after.

DKF: We tried to give each episode its particular look. This effort seems to me more evident in Ashes of Time Redux. Is it the music? Or the reworking of the structure? Or have perhaps other martial arts-based films educated our eye?

WKW: You mean Kung Fu Panda put us on the map?

DKF: Well, they say the Minister of Film (or whatever he or she is called) apologized to the Chinese people for not having made Kung Fu Panda themselves. Maybe in the States we should change the name [of our film] to Ashes of Panda.

Monday afternoon at a café in the Toronto airport, watching Roger Federer beat Andy Murray at the U.S. Open. -WKW

WKW: Dear DKF, normally you dance to my music, and now I have to match your steps. Not easy, but let's figure out the dance floor first: How long ago did we finish Ashes of Time? Fifteen years ago, or four months ago, or at some point in between?

DKF: Fifteen years ago? [The film] certainly is taking its time finding its time, and yet it feels immediate enough to be the new film it has become. Even now there are moments and images I can't stop rethinking and reworking. Perhaps that is what one does in the films that follow.

On Leslie Cheung. -WKW & DKF

WKW: Another picture that I have kept in my file is of Leslie, taken by you, with a note. May I quote what you wrote then? "Leslie hates me when I say my habitual ‘anytime' if I'm not completely ready to shoot. He thinks I'm more up and down, emotionally, than he is. But I'm not so sure. We've made four films together now, and we intend to make many more. I've come to know the fine details of his moods and needs and how much he gets into his role." The night Leslie died we were shooting Eros [2004] with Gong Li and Chang Chen. When the news reached our office, we thought it was an April Fools' Day joke. Soon we realized it was true and we had lost him.

DKF: We have not lost Leslie, but I didn't know that I could miss him so till I missed him so. We aren't immortal in or through our art-we live in the ways of those we touch to love. Leslie is where he needs to be.